Join the Discussion

Comments So Far: 230

• 0%

  ybdogsct1 month, 3 weeks ago

  http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/jul/10/joh...

  "'What John McCain, George Bush, Phil Gramm, don't understand is that the American people aren't whining, they are suffering - the weight of 8 years of Bush-economics that John McCain has vowed to continue,' said Karen Finney."

  http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2008/07/10/politic...

  "The economy is the number one issue for voters, and most have a dark assessment of the present situation. 78% of respondents said things are worse now than they were 5 years ago - the highest since 1986."

  http://www.boston.com/news/politics/politicalin...

  Tim Russert asked John McCain about his comments that he didn't know as much about economics. McCain's answer suggested he had never made such a comment, but he did as recently as December saying:

  'The issue of economics is not something I've understood as well as I should, but I've got Greenspan's book.'"

  Reply

  30 Replies

  • 0%

    Beau78901 month, 3 weeks ago

    Someone should let McCain, Gramm and the Bush defenders know that whining can be distinguished from constructive criticism when complaints are accompanied by ideas about how to improve circumstances.

    Some people will never grasp that constructively criticizing the government is not unpatriotic; rather, it's motivated by a love of the nation and its people.

    Reply

    22 Replies

    • 0%

      questionseverything1 month, 3 weeks ago

      gramm,mcsame,w dont live in same world as the rest of us.....they can spend more in a month on their ccs than most of us will see in a life time

      gramm was responsible for the enron loophole and thats responsible for the speculation driving up prices of energy

      Reply
    • 0%

      aceofspades11 month, 3 weeks ago

      Americans voted for Bush & Co. twice & lived with him for 8 years - how can you deny we are in mental recession??

      Reply
    • 0%

      Teech1 month, 3 weeks ago

      Just watched those senile old cretins on the news. Unbelievable, except that nothing that these Repukes say can ever surprise anyone ever again.

      Calling us a "nation of whiners, going through a 'mental recession'."

      Absolutely! War in Iraq, no jobs, a crashed economy, 10 trillion in debt, and there's Gramm and McLame Insane telling us it's all in our minds! Hey! You aren't really unemployed, you're just dreaming! Wake up! You've never had it so good!

      God damn! That's great news. For a minute there I thought America was going down the wrong path.

      Reply

      1 Reply

      • 0%

        antibrainwasher1 month, 3 weeks ago

        Just pretend everything is OK.

        Pretend your happy when your blue

        It isn't very hard to do

        and you'll find happiness within

        whenever you pretend.

        Great idea. Don't worry, be happy. Lose your job? Take some happy pills.

        Reply
    • 0%

      Teech1 month, 3 weeks ago

      If only Republican lies, Republican corruption, Republican bullsh!t and McLame's drool were oil - our energy problems WOULD be solved!

      Now, let's get down to some REAL issues - things that affect ALL Americans and are of vital importance - like Obama's mortgage!

      Reply

      5 Replies

      • 0%

        Spinward1 month, 3 weeks ago

        Democrats... honest, uncorruptable, and straightforward.

        Teech, you're not supposed to inhale.

        Reply

        4 Replies

        • 0%

          Goppy1 month, 3 weeks ago

          Now Spinny ... OF COURSE there are dishonest, uncorruptable, and not very straightforward Democrats.

          The problem is ... we Christian Conservatives allied with the Republicans and Neo-Cons because they told us they were 'Endorsed' by God.

          When it turns out that the Neo-Cons were even MORE dishonest, MORE corrupted, proven LIARS ... well ... it just makes us Christian Conservatives realize we were duped.

          Maybe we should consider who we should be aligned with in the future.

          Should Christians stand behind those who promote:

          - War

          - Discrimination of Soldiers

          - Deficit Spending

          - Pollution and protecting polluters

          - Denyin kids health care

          Heck ... you can't change a dogs spots.

          Reply

          1 Reply

          • 0%

            antibrainwasher1 month, 3 weeks ago

            I'm confused. Since Jesus is W's favorite philosopher, I thought jesus was a white conservative rich war mongering oil stock owning suv driving status quo powerhungry male elitist who hated the poor, hated gays, blacks, women and their sissy rights like voting, and favored tax cuts for the rich during a time of war, where only the select poor are dying, opposed the draft for the rich folks kids.

            I thought jesus was all about hating the poor and enriching the rich. That is what is happening in 'merica, and doesn't god bless the USA? Isn't jesus on our side? Don't our dead soldiers, fighting to protect big oil in Iraq, go to heaven, cause Jesus was all about big oil?

            Didn't jesus preach that burning all possible fossile fuel was gods 11th commandment, and that america should burn 25% of all fuel, and go to war to protect our foreign sources for it?

            That's what we are doing, and I thought Jesus was on our side.

            Reply
        • 0%

          SwampFox-82nd1 month, 2 weeks ago

          Hey worm, I've been inhaling for sixty-years, and you???

          Oh, that's right, your kind don't breath...

          Reply
        • 0%

          SwampFox-82nd1 month, 2 weeks ago

          Hey worm, I've been inhaling for sixty-years, and you???

          Oh, that's right, your kind don't breath...

          Reply
    • 0%

      Blackacereturn1 month, 3 weeks ago

      To me this is also McCain's thinking. I think he sent Gramm out there to see how this will fly, it flopped. With all of McCain's tough talk he didn't tell Gramm to go. This is a feeler that didn't feel well.

      Reply

      7 Replies

      • 0%

        Spinward1 month, 3 weeks ago

        You may be right.

        Kinda like when Obama sent out the Wesley Clark feeler that fell dead.

        Politicians... you have to love 'em.

        Reply

        5 Replies

        • 0%

          cushi1 month, 3 weeks ago

          Wesley Clark told the truth and he shouldn't have allowed anyone to pressure him into apologizing for it. McInsane is not fit to be in the white house, nor is the current Imbecile/Sociopath in Chief.

          Reply

          3 Replies

          • 0%

            aniokly1 month, 3 weeks ago

            Wesley Clark lied in his teeth, and real Americans rebuked him. He will forever be known as the fired NATO Chief, fired for character reasons, by General Shelton. He also violated the Posse Comitus law, and handed Janet Reno Military tanks, and fire bombs to bomb that Church in Waco. That is why he is rejected at the polls.

            Reply

            2 Replies

            • 0%

              miklkit1 month, 3 weeks ago

              You know better than that.

              Reply
            • 0%

              Radiofreeeuropa1 month, 3 weeks ago

              Wesley Clark said nothing that is not true. They cut part of what was out for the soundbytes. He prefaced the statement with stating that McCain's service was nothing but exemplary, patriotic, and admirable. However the experience of being shot down and taken prisoner did not really give one any particular reason to assume they would make a good chief executive. How is this not true?

              Reply
        • 0%

          Blackacereturn1 month, 3 weeks ago

          That or kick them in the pants.

          Reply
      • 0%

        SwampFox-82nd1 month, 2 weeks ago

        Black Ace, McCain has his nose so far up Gramm's ass his breath smells like poop.

        I once thought the neocon were just misled, not knowing the truth about war and death. No longer do I think this. They hide behind that evil nut-boil like his word -- and the words of Hitler, are one in the same.

        They deserve nothing less than to face a war-crime tribunal. Of crimes against all peoples, taken out and hanged by the neck until dead.

        Reply
    • 0%

      cushi1 month, 3 weeks ago

      Frankly, Beau, I don't believe they give a dam(n)! They want what they want, and nothing else matters with these people! They worship the almighty dollar and power, power, power is their aphrodisiac.

      Average citizens are the fire hydrants and they are the dogs. Demonic power at it's finest.

      Reply

      3 Replies

      • 0%

        aniokly1 month, 3 weeks ago

        I get a kick out of the Obamessiah, adressing Graduates telling them to go forth, sacriface, and don't chase the almighty dollar. This from a guy that lived well all his life, has a fleet of cars, and lives in a $1.6. million dollar Mansion. What a phony. Jesse's right about this guy.

        Reply

        2 Replies

        • 0%

          miklkit1 month, 3 weeks ago

          Do you mean like these? Notice the reference to snipers on rooftops. You republicons are on record as wanting him asassinated.

          http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/politic...

          Reply
        • 0%

          Radiofreeeuropa1 month, 3 weeks ago

          aniokly, you seem to know nothing of what Obama did earlier in life. The truth is available so easily, but you choose to spread falsehoods. Try http://www.biography.com/featured-biography/bar...

          You'll see that he did in fact "practice what he preaches" regarding service to the community.

          Reply
  • 0%

    Aidenag1 month, 3 weeks ago

    For those unaware, this would be the same Phil Gramm who created the enron fiasco.. Who while a politician spearheaded the deregulation that made the Enron scandal possible, and who's wife worked for Enron at the time..

    He is a real class act.

    Reply

    1 Reply

    • 0%

      antibrainwasher1 month, 3 weeks ago

      Texas. Gramm, Delay, Bush.... thanks.

      Reply

  • lovermanComment removed: User banned.
  • 0%

    NoWayMan1 month, 3 weeks ago

    Phil Gramm also played a huge part in the mortgage crisis and credit crunch we are now in. many of the problems we are now having are the direct result of Phil Gramm's work in the Senate.

    and now Phil Gramm is currently McCain's top economic advisor.

    be afraid, be very afraid (of Phil Gramm).

    Reply
  • 0%

    spkguy1 month, 3 weeks ago

    Did ya all see this?

    John McCain's Connection to Big Oil & The Enron Loophole

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AdRbuUQNcxw

    Reply

    1 Reply

    • 0%

      miklkit1 month, 3 weeks ago

      That's a great video. Thank you.

      Reply
  • 0%

    Daylight1 month, 3 weeks ago

    ybdogsct

    "The economy is the number one issue for voters, and most have a dark assessment of the present situation. 78% of respondents said things are worse now than they were 5 years ago - the highest since 1986."

    Bush and his administration bust the taxpayers money on perceived enemy who does not exist and war an terror which is his own invention is making America poorer by the day.

    Reply

• AtheismIsRealityComment removed: User banned.29 Replies

  • 0%

    B1BLancer1 month, 3 weeks ago

    There was a Clinton recession.

    Reply

    27 Replies

    • 0%

      CRYMTYPHON1 month, 3 weeks ago

      Ahh, the good old days.

      Reply

      24 Replies

      • 0%

        Spinward1 month, 3 weeks ago

        The truth is that the Bush tax cuts stopped an economic slide and today, after the tax cuts, the U.S. is receiving more revenue at any time in history AND the top 50% of wage earners are paying 97% of the tax burden.

        Not bad for a stupid Republican, yes?

        Reply

        23 Replies

        • 0%

          mesodude1 month, 3 weeks ago

          "Not bad for a stupid Republican, yes?"

          --Yes, Bush is stupid. And so is anyone who thinks that tax cuts financed by borrowing an amount that far exceeds the tax cuts themselves (or, in essence, kicking the can down the road so that future generations owe the money) is anything other than deficit spending. In order to fund his war time feel good tax cuts for the ultra-wealthy we (or our children and grandchildren) will have to pay for the tax cuts plus the interest we're being charged to borrow the money in the first place. You can't be serious... ;-(

          Reply

          11 Replies

          • 0%

            ybdogsct1 month, 3 weeks ago

            SPINWARD:

            "The truth is that the Bush tax cuts stopped an economic slide."

            http://people.ischool.berkeley.edu/~hal/people/...

            "The stock market does far better under Democrats. During those 72 years the stock market returned about 11 percent more a year under Democratic presidents and 2 percent more under Republicans - a striking difference."

            http://finance.yahoo.com/q/hp?s=^DJI&a=00&b=20&...

            "Note that the DJIA rose steadily during the Clinton Presidency from 3300 in Jan 1993, to 11,500 by December 1999, before settling back at 10,600 by the time Bill Clinton left office--a 221% increase."

            http://finance.yahoo.com/q/hp?s=^DJI&a=00&b=20&...

            "Now, here are the monthly Dow Jones closing averages since George W. Bush has been President. Relatively stagnant from 10,600 to 12800--a meager 4% increase."

            Reply
          • 0%

            ybdogsct1 month, 3 weeks ago

            CLINTON'S RECORD ON JOBS

            http://clinton4.nara.gov/WH/New/html/20000112_1...

            "In 1992, the American economy was barely creating jobs, wages were stagnant, and the unemployment rate was 7.5%. 22.1 million new jobs have been created since 1993, the most jobs ever created under a single Administration. The economy added an average of 248,000 jobs per month, the highest under any President. Unemployment is down from 7.5% in 1992 to 4.0% in June 2000, and in April 2000 the unemployment rate was the lowest in 30 years. The unemployment rate has fallen for 7 years in a row, and has remained below 5% for 34 months."

            Reply

            1 Reply

            • 0%

              ybdogsct1 month, 3 weeks ago

              BUSH'S RECORD ON JOBS

              http://www.cbpp.org/4-14-04tax-sum.htm

              "The early returns on the effects of Bush's tax cuts have not been good. The Bush tax cuts have contributed to revenues dropping in 2004 to the lowest level since 1950, and have been a major contributor to the dramatic shift from projected large budget surpluses to projected deficits. The tax cuts have conferred the most benefits, by far, on the highest-income households -- those least in need of additional resources -- at a time when income already is exceptionally concentrated at the top of the income spectrum. THE DESIGN OF THESE TAX CUTS WAS ILL-CONCEIVED, RESULTING IN SIGNIFICANTLY LESS ECONOMIC STIMULUS THAN COULD HAVE BEEN ACCOMPLISHED FOR THE SAME BUDGETARY COST. In part because the tax cuts were not as effective as alternative measures would have been, job creation during this recovery has been notably worse than in any other recovery since the end of World War II."

              Reply
          • 0%

            ybdogsct1 month, 3 weeks ago

            http://www.census.gov/prod/2007pubs/p60-233.pdf

            http://www.census.gov/prod/www/abs/income.html

            There was an INCREASE in Real Median Household Income under the Bill Clinton Administration from $43000 to $49500 (a 15.1% INCREASE); and a DECREASE in real median household income under George W Bush Administration from $49500 to $48201 (a 2.6% DECREASE).

            Also, the poverty rating under Clinton fell from 40 million to 31 million; and rose under Bush from 31 million to 36.5 million.

            http://www.federalreserve.gov/newsevents/speech...

            "The share of income received by households in the top fifth of the income distribution rose from 42% to 50%, while the share of income received by those in the bottom fifth declined from 7% to 5%.

            Reply
          • 0%

            ybdogsct1 month, 3 weeks ago

            DEMOCRATS & FISCAL RESPONSIBILITY

            http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/ar...

            "Dealing with a budget surplus in his second term, Clinton proposed devoting the extra money to "save Social Security first." Greenspan writes, "I played no role in finding the answer, but I had to admire the one Clinton and his policymakers came up with."

            http://www.brookings.edu/opinions/1999/0202fede...

            "The significance of prospective surpluses of nearly $5 trillion over the next 15 years is hard to appreciate. The big question is how to use these surpluses. Clinton called on the nation to save most of the budget surpluses that loom in our nation's economic future. The largest component is the transfer of bonds to Social Security and Medicare. These transfers would go about half way to closing the projected long-term deficit in Social Security."

            Reply

            1 Reply

            • 0%

              ybdogsct1 month, 3 weeks ago

              http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/ar...

              "On its second day under Democratic management, the House yesterday overwhelmingly approved new rules aimed at reining in deficit spending."

              http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/...

              "House Democrats, seeking to show they will be better stewards of taxpayers' money than their Republican predecessors, approved new budget rules Friday that require any new spending or tax cuts to be paid for by other spending cuts or tax increases. The so-called pay-as-you-go budget rules were passed with broad support as part of a package that also requires lawmakers to disclose which "earmarks," or spending items, they have added to bills."

              Reply
          • 0%

            ybdogsct1 month, 3 weeks ago

            REPUBLICANS AND FISCAL IRRESPONSIBILITY

            http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/ar...

            "Alan Greenspan levels unusually harsh criticism at the Republican Party, arguing that Bush abandoned the conservative principle of fiscal restraint. Greenspan praises Clinton's tough anti-deficit policies as 'an act of political courage.' But he expresses deep disappointment with Bush. 'My biggest frustration remained the Bush's unwillingness to wield his veto against out-of-control spending.'

            Greenspan accuses the Republicans of being too eager to tolerate excessive federal spending in exchange for political opportunity. Dealing with a budget surplus, Clinton proposed devoting the extra money to 'save Social Security first.' Greenspan writes, 'I played no role in finding the answer, but I had to admire the one Clinton's. The truth was that Reagan had borrowed from Clinton, and Clinton was having to pay it back.'"

            Reply

            4 Replies

            • 0%

              ybdogsct1 month, 3 weeks ago

              http://www.cato.org/pub_display.php?pub_id=3184

              "Supporters and critics of the administration are tripping over themselves to blame the deficit on tax cuts, the war, and a slow economy. But the real truth is that national defense is far from being responsible for all of the spending increases. According to the new numbers, defense spending will have risen by about 34% since Bush came into office. But, at the same time, non-defense discretionary spending will have skyrocketed by almost 28%. The administration has been free spending into the face of a recessionary economy from day one without making any serious attempt to reduce costs."

              Reply
            • 0%

              ybdogsct1 month, 3 weeks ago

              http://www.brookings.edu/opinions/1999/0202fede...

              "The big question is how to use these surpluses. Clinton called on the nation to save most of the budget surpluses that loom in our nation's economic future. At the same time, his Republican critics have been calling for sizeable tax cuts, which would underwrite increased personal consumption, and some of his Democratic supporters have been calling for increased government spending on long-neglected domestic priorities."

              In effect, Bush's tax cuts represented the sentiment of the Republican party on how best to spend Clinton's budget surpluses. Republicans wanted to spend the money and cut taxes. Clinton wanted to save for SS, health care, and debt reduction.

              Reply

              2 Replies

              • 0%

                CRYMTYPHON1 month, 3 weeks ago

                Wow.

                Do not mess with the ybdogsct.

                He is friends with Mr. Facts.

                Reply

                1 Reply

                • 0%

                  Goppy1 month, 3 weeks ago

                  hes the awesomest.

                  Reply
        • 0%

          browntiger1 month, 3 weeks ago

          Lies lies lies.

          How could possibly divident tax stop anything. We have been printing money non stop. Bush, as usual repuke, trying to spend his way out of recession. That is why we have GDP of 1%. Plus we include oil imports as %GDP, but not CPI. So yeah if oil goes 10/gal our GDP will be 2%

          >the top 50% of wage earners are paying 97% of the tax burden.

          B.S. I think it is in 70s

          Even if you get the right number, instead of spreading lies of 97%, what in the world would you expect:

          1) retired person on $650 SSS/month paid income

          2) high school kids, college students

          3) Ahhem, repuking manufacturing jobs, McD

          4) Other low earners.

          I really hate republican liars.

          Reply

          3 Replies

          • 0%

            Skeptic1 month, 3 weeks ago

            A person retiring this year at full retirement benefits would receive $649 a month if he had been a minimum wage earner during his working life.

            The average benefit paid in 2007 was $1050.

            The maximum benefit a worker retiring at full retirement age in 2008 is $2185.

            I have no respect for anyone who spout the party line without at least the pretense of looking for facts. Most are not worthy of as strong an emotion as hate, only pity.

            Reply

            2 Replies

            • 0%

              raats66621 month, 3 weeks ago

              I have news for you...more then half (females) of the benefits paid out is FAR less then $2185.

              Since MOST of this generation of females were 'stay-at-home' Mom's, THEIR benefits are based on their husbands incomes and they get a FRACTION of his benefits.

              And "I have no respect for anyone who spout the party line without at least the pretense of looking for facts. Most are not worthy of as strong an emotion as hate, only pity." I couldn't agree MORE.

              Reply

              1 Reply

              • 0%

                Skeptic1 month, 3 weeks ago

                First, a spouse is entitled to a minimum of 50% of the working spouse's benefit. If she worked during her lifetime and garnered the required credits, then she gets her benefit. Here is the kicker; her benefit is never less than 50% of her spouse's benefit. If it is, Soc. Sec. makes up the difference. On the other hand, if it is more than the minimum benefit, then that is what she is paid. There is no 'penalty' for obtaining a benefit greater than the minimum to which she is entitled.

                Second, a surviving widow gets her husband's full benefit.

                Third, that is why I said the maximum benefit is $2185. To get the maximum benefit, you have to work a certain number of years and have paid in the annual maximum contribution those years. I was able to do it, but it is getting harder and harder for a worker to achieve this. Incidentally, the maximum was far less when I retired and COLA's do not keep the benfit up to current standards.

                Reply
        • 0%

          antibrainwasher1 month, 3 weeks ago

          90% of all economic gains over the last 8 years went to households earning over 350,000 dollars a year.

          85% of all american stock is held by 1% of the american population.

          Exon gave its retiring CEO a 350 million dollar retirement bonus. That is more that all the union members in the country make in a year, the 9% of the american workforce that is union.

          The super rich pay 35% taxes as the highest rate under the Economic and Tax Releif Reconciliation Act of 2001.

          The vast majority of taxes come from working and middle income tax payers.

          Spinward, you are aptly named.

          Classic republican, vote republican to elevate spinward to McSenile's economic advisor.

          Reply
        • 0%

          AnteUp1 month, 3 weeks ago

          Spinward ~

          Your newsflash - "Bush tax cuts stopped an economic slide"

          is total fantasy. When did it stop, Spinward?

          A very select FEW are receiving more revenue than at any time in history..........that would be the correct wording.

          Reply
        • 0%

          AnteUp1 month, 3 weeks ago

          Spinward ~

          Do you mind picking up the tax burden for the upper crust,

          like former Secy. of the Treasury John Snow? WHILE he was

          serving as the CEO of CSX - for three years he paid ZIP

          in taxes. I paid taxes - I bet you did too. Only thing

          is I MIND that the richest among us have loopholes to

          shield them from paying their fair share to keep this

          country running. Why doesn't it bother YOU?

          Take a look at the Fortune 500 guys - the Movers and Shakers

          of our society. Tell me it wouldn't burn your butt to

          find out that you - and all the other regular citizens -

          are paying MORE than they do.

          Reply
        • 0%

          CRYMTYPHON1 month, 3 weeks ago

          Spinward: that was very silly.

          Tax cuts without spending cuts is deficit spending.

          Deficit spending is defered taxation.

          You still have to pay; plus interest.

          The war was charged on credit; we now have a 3 to 6 trillion dollar debt to pay. For nothing in return.

          In the last 8 years there has been a measurable slide in the quality of life for middle class americans. AND WE KNOW IT.

          Is it whining to say it?

          Nope.

          Think of it more as a war cry.

          Reply
        • 0%

          wtagg1 month, 3 weeks ago

          Please address the nation's present budget situation.

          Reply
        • 0%

          raats66621 month, 3 weeks ago

          the top 50% of wage earners are paying 97% of the tax burden.

          ~~~~~~~~~~...

          And yet the top 1% of wage earners are paying a smaller PERCENTAGE of their income in taxes then the BOTTOM 75%....Dick Cheney (who claimed 2007 income of $1.6 MILLION) had a federal tax burden of less the 20% while a married couple who made less then then 10% of that ($150,000) had a federal tax burden of 26.7% (between their Federal Income taxes and SS tax since ALL to this couples income is subject to SS tax).

          Do you NeoCons EVER look at the REAL picture or do you just repeat the propaganda that the Republicans fill the airwaves with?

          Reply
        • 0%

          B1BLancer1 month, 3 weeks ago

          Exactly right. Don't expect the libs to admit it, but the Bush tax cuts rescued the economy.

          Reply
    • 0%

      NoWayMan1 month, 3 weeks ago

      According to the National Bureau of Economic Research, a nonpartisan research group responsible for tracking the official peaks and troughs of the U.S. economy, the economy began to contract in March of 2001, two months after Bush was inaugurated; the recession marked the end of the longest period of economic expansion in U.S. history.

      In 2000 under Clinton, the year in which the GOP says the country was spiraling into recession, almost 2 million new jobs were created in America.

      About 1.8 million jobs were lost in 2001 under Bush. 500k jobs were lost in 2002.

      and one thing we know for sure was that there was a massive surplus under clinton.

      Reply

      1 Reply

      • 0%

        cushi1 month, 3 weeks ago

        You think the lying when their lips move repugnicons are going to let a little thing like facts get in their way? NoWayMan!

        Reply
  • 0%

    chuck-the-canuck1 month, 3 weeks ago

    The words Honor and Integrity aren't in their dictionary, just as the word Gullible isn't in any of the dictionaries owned by Bush supporters.

    Reply
• 0%

  dunkirk1 month, 3 weeks ago

  The fact is when your a puppet and just reacting to your strings bring pulled, he doesnt need to become knowedgeable on economics. He needs to learn how to read a script.

  Reply
• 0%

  ybdogsct1 month, 3 weeks ago

  I guess it's easy to dismiss the skyrocketing fuel and energy prices, nationwide housing foreclosures, credit crunch, and record budget deficits when your wife is worth over $100 million, and you're not faced with financial hardships every day.

  I hope this is not the kind of economic advice McCain will shape his economic policies around.

  Phil Gramm's callous comments can be found here in the Washington Times' original article:

  http://www.washtimes.com/news/2008/jul/09/mccai...

  "Various surveys show that consumer confidence has fallen precipitously this year to the lowest levels in two to three decades, with most analysts attributing that to record high gasoline prices over $4 a gallon and big drops in the value of homes, which are consumers' biggest assets.

  'Misery sells newspapers,' Mr. Gramm said. 'Thank God the economy is not as bad as you read in the newspaper every day.'"

  Reply

  5 Replies

  • 0%

    MRCOFFEECAKE1 month, 3 weeks ago

    They are arrogant asswipes and have no interest in what real Americans are thinking, feeling or suffering as a result of living in the real America that they have damaged.

    Their buddies are all doing real well, even though I heard one of them had to fire one of the maids for their summer home.

    They WILL be the FIRST to jump on Obama's much softer version of what he sees coming from those struggling in western Pennsylvania.

    They are just oblivious and think we're all just worker bees. Give 'em guns, have them go hunt gays and they'll shut up, right?

    Reply
  • 0%

    AnteUp1 month, 3 weeks ago

    ybdogsct ~

    Good Lord! "Misery sells newspapers" What a piece of filth!

    I heard a segment on NPR Monday(?) about home foreclosures

    and the relationship to our animal shelters filling up.

    I'm an animal person - but it was a people story too.

    People giving up their dogs to shelters because they lost

    their homes. Another family adopted a dog and had to move

    to an apartment with a No Pets policy........back to the

    shelter. The shelters are even using foster families who

    can just get the dogs out of the shelter for a while.

    Families don't go to the trouble of adopting a new pet

    when they know that financial ruin is around the corner.

    These poor people haven't even seen it coming and then

    they become a heartbroken statistic.

    I won't need a tissue next time thanks to Mr.Gramm -

    he's clarified it for me - they're just a bunch of whiners?

    Reply

    3 Replies

    • eyesopenComment removed: User banned.2 Replies

      • 0%

        AnteUp1 month, 3 weeks ago

        eyesopen ~

        I really hadn't taken your full measure until now -

        Geez - I'm sorry I even bothered to reply.

        Reply

        1 Reply

        • 0%

          cushi1 month, 3 weeks ago

          The day may be just around the corner when he/she will have to "eat" those words. How fitting!

          Reply
• 0%

  walden31 month, 3 weeks ago

  Haha-

  Someone should ask Mr. Gramm how much a gallon of milk or a gallon of gas is.

  How can someone be so out of touch? It's scary when our leaders have no basis in middle-class reality.

  Reply

  31 Replies

  • 0%

    Will13131 month, 3 weeks ago

    It's scary when our leaders have no basis in middle-class reality

    ---

    they have no basis in ANY reality.. bizzarro world.. all of them..

    Reply
  • 0%

    Lurch1 month, 3 weeks ago

    I suppose when you and your friends and family never earned the millions in the first place, but instead easily ripped them off the taxpayers and consumers with zero accountability, it may be hard to imagine why all Americans are not rich like you.

    Reply

    10 Replies

    • 0%

      bruhaha1 month, 3 weeks ago

      Didn't you know, the only thing different from you and them is they chose to be rich....at least that's what some believe.

      Reply

      9 Replies

      • 0%

        Beau78901 month, 3 weeks ago

        It's because they worked so hard. Don't you know that's how McCain and W. got rich?

        Reply

        8 Replies

        • 0%

          crghss1 month, 3 weeks ago

          You should try it.

          Reply

          7 Replies

          • 0%

            mesodude1 month, 3 weeks ago

            "You should try it."

            --I think we've seen enough "personal responsibility" from cons over the last 8 years to last a lifetime.

            Reply

            3 Replies

            • 0%

              aniokly1 month, 3 weeks ago

              The Government cannot mke you responsible for your own well being. Work ethics are taught, and nurtured by example just as Government dependency is taught, and handed down from generation to generation.

              Reply

              2 Replies

              • 0%

                raats66621 month, 3 weeks ago

                Work ethics are taught, and nurtured by example

                ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

                And we REALLY should have KNOWN what kind of 'work ethic' GWB had if we had taken the time to look at his Vietnam Service Record!

                Reply
              • 0%

                bruhaha1 month, 3 weeks ago

                You're right Ani, many of the wealthy have learned from generation to generation how to increase their wealth by making money off the government.

                Reply
          • 0%

            Beau78901 month, 3 weeks ago

            I can't really follow W.'s path to wealth.

            You see, I don't have a rich dad who everyone wants to do favors for. I've tried to get folks to hand me corporate directorships, and I've tried to buy baseball teams with other people's money.

            Go figure--no one will bite.

            And no matter how hard I try, I can't drive every business I've ever owned into the ground and escape with a profit.

            Were you able to do that, crghss?

            If you could tell me how I can make any of those things happen, please let me know. I work hard, but no one ever hands me my own companies to ruin.

            Reply

            1 Reply

            • 0%

              bruhaha1 month, 3 weeks ago

              What always amazes me is that people like crghss seem to actually believe that people like Bush and McCain earned their wealth.

              Reply
          • 0%

            MRCOFFEECAKE1 month, 3 weeks ago

            Thanks Marie (crghss)!! Typical!Arrogant. Oblivious.

            At least Marie didn't defend rich French crooks, just slave owners.

            Reply
  • 0%

    AnteUp1 month, 3 weeks ago

    walden3 ~

    My reaction too - I laughed out loud when I heard it!

    Could that be construed as elitist? Or just a "let them eat cake" attitude?

    Speaking from the "bitter belt" - Obama's remarks were as

    nothing compared to this compassionate(?) conservative's

    views on us folks, and our economic woes.

    Forgive me if I've said it before - but these guys LIKE

    the little guys and the middle class...........they think

    everybody should own one!

    Is that their "ownership" society?

    Reply

    13 Replies

    • 0%

      mesodude1 month, 3 weeks ago

      So, AnteUp, do you think McCain will "throw him under the bus"? I wonder if he will... ;-P

      Reply

      12 Replies

      • 0%

        AnteUp1 month, 3 weeks ago

        mesodude ~

        This afternoon the only reply his reps could cough up was,

        "Phil Gramm doesn't speak for Senator McCain" - that's why

        he made him his Economic advisor??

        Reply

        11 Replies

        • eyesopenComment removed: User banned.10 Replies

          • 0%

            AnteUp1 month, 3 weeks ago

            eyesopen ~

            And generally speaking you want an advisor who SHARES

            your views. Maybe you are confused about this - I'm not.

            I don't care whether Gramm says it himself to the media,

            thinks it to himself, whispers his ADVICE in John's ear

            or launches these same observations during a - now here

            I hesitate......a "BRAIN"-storming session on the campaign trail............it reveals the campaign's distain for

            the majority of the American populace and their current

            REAL - not imagined - financial difficulties.

            Reply

            6 Replies

            • eyesopenComment removed: User banned.5 Replies

              • 0%

                Sabretooth1 month, 3 weeks ago

                Let me also give you an example of advice: Johnny baby, i suggest we hand out as many no bid contracts as we can in the next 4 years...Hey Phil, i really don't have a grasp on economics so you do what you think is best.

                Reply

                1 Reply

                • 0%

                  Teech1 month, 3 weeks ago

                  ...yeah, but only hand out those cost plus, no-bid, no oversight contracts to big campaign contributors.

                  Reply
              • 0%

                Beau78901 month, 3 weeks ago

                Gramm's his chief economic advisor. And McCain has admitted he doesn't know much about the economy. That means he'll rely on Gramm's "expertise."

                I'm a little afraid of a president whose chief economic advisor thinks all we have to do is be more positive.

                Shall we all just close our eyes and kick our heels together?

                Reply

                2 Replies

                • 0%

                  antibrainwasher1 month, 3 weeks ago

                  Pretend your happy when your blue

                  It isn't very hard to do

                  and you'll find happiness within

                  whenever you pretend.

                  That's the secret. pretend everything is ok. pass the lord and praise ammunition.

                  When ever I feel afraid

                  I hold my head erect

                  and whisle a happy tune

                  so no one will suspect, I'm afraid

                  While shivering in my shoes

                  I strike a carlelsse pose

                  and whistle a happy tune

                  and no one ever knows

                  I'm afraid

                  The result of this deception

                  Is very strange to tell

                  For when I fool the people

                  I fear I fool myself as well!

                  Reply

                  1 Reply

                  • 0%

                    antibrainwasher1 month, 3 weeks ago

                    The result of this deception

                    Is very strange to tell

                    For when I fool the people

                    I fear I fool myself as well!

                    Reply
          • 0%

            cushi1 month, 3 weeks ago

            If your eyes are open, please shut them. Maybe then you'll see better.

            Reply

            1 Reply

            • 0%