Money – it's not just oil that has been driven up in price because of the war. As energy costs have gone up, so has the cost of food. As well, to the extent that Americans' food is imported, they are paying in shrinking dollars, whose value is being driven down because of the war.
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This is a real great post. If we didn't get the world so upset, gas would be $1.50 per gallon!!!
a couple of years ago, I gave up driving when gas hit $1.88 a few years ago.... "I'm not paying THAT much!"
Friends sure did laugh at the idea back then...
How'd you accomplish that? Walking, riding a bike or commuting isn't practical for me to get to work.
I'm lucky enough to be in a city where I can get away with biking, walking, taking a train, etc, etc. I'll still get in a car from time to time, but it's rare.
And it's saving me plenty. I'll consider myself fortunate.
You are very fortunate. Good for you!!
We have decided not to buy a place in the country and stay in town near the job. With everything going up it seems to be the smarter choice now.
Yeah, great idea Engineer. NOT!
We should just allow Iran to have nukes, Just let Iraq be flushed down the toilet run by Islamofascist military junta, and just forget about Afghanistan all in the name of keeping the Middle East at peace for cheaper oil.
It's called APPEASEMENT. It never worked before, what makes you think it'd work now?!?
"we" ???
you sound like a collectivist to me.
He has more than one personality. :o)
personality = propeller account, right?
The Borg. Resistance is futile.
"We should just allow Iran to have nukes, Just let Iraq be flushed down the toilet run by Islamofascist military junta, and just forget about Afghanistan all in the name of keeping the Middle East at peace for cheaper oil. "
Garbage.
Iran isn't breaking any laws. According to all accounts even if they were to go after nuclear weapons they're more than a decade away.
Plus the US and Israel have proven themselves to be the most dangerous nations on earth when it comes to invading other nations on a pretense, bombing people into oblivion and planning to occupy a country for an extended period of time.
Boy, that is just SOOOO Jihadist, O "I'm not a Muslim". Actually, IF we really wanted cheaper oil, we'd say, "Hey, lower the oil prices, Abdullah, or, no more Mecca, just for starters." But, that would be mean, so, we don't.
"Hey, lower the oil prices, Abdullah, or, no more Mecca, just for starters." But, that would be mean, so, we don't."
It's not a matter of being mean. It's a matter of destroying the most holy place of a religion by attacking a country that's shown no aggression towards us just to push a political agenda. It's pure stupidity. Which isn't surprising from your mouth.
NO aggression toward us? What was 9/11? What's sending in terrorists into Iraq to blow up oil pipe-lines to keep America dependant on Saudi oil? Raising OPEC prices to bankrupt America is not aggression?
9/11 was an attack by extremists hiding behind Islam to push their own ideology. It had nothing to do with Mecca. As to who's keeping America dependent upon Saudi Oil, that would be George Bush and his family, best friends of the House of Saud and the American people who are too lazy to break their oil dependency.
As for raising OPEC prices, it's sure not Islam. It's the instability and uncertainty in the Middle East which today is purely due to Bush's war in Iraq, a place that had not a thing to do with 9/11 and had no al-Quaeda before the US invasion. It's politics, ideology and in the long run like anything else it's money. Like all the money that goes into the pocket of no-bid contracts for KBR or Haliburton.
I think you might be right on the OPEC thing, but, who do you think these extremists were "hiding behind Islam to push their own ideology? I've noticed that a Muslim is a Muslim until he commits an act of terror, then Muslims say he was either a puppet of the West to make Islam look Satanic, or, he was a freedom fighter protesting the "evil Zionist entity" that traded land for peace and got rockets fired FROM the land in return. So, again, who do YOU think was behind 9/11? WHO were these extremists, you called them?
"I've noticed that a Muslim is a Muslim until he commits an act of terror, then Muslims say he was either a puppet of the West to make Islam look Satanic "
Apparently you haven't noticed or you'd stop calling all Muslims terrorists. The mere fact that these terrorist acts are decried by the majority of Muslims as being acts AGAINST Islam should help you wake up.
Who was behind 9/11? A bunch of ideologues, 18/19 of them with Saudi passports. Spearheaded (probably) by Bin-Laden, whom the US Government decided not to chase when it decided to concentrate on a war in Iraq, turn down the heat in Afghanistan and destroy a nation that had nothing to do with 9/11.
A good deal of murderers in Jail proclaim they're Christians, but the Bible tells us (as does the Qur'an) that you can judge one's faith by the fruit of their actions. Every terrorist action is against Islam.
Try reading "Who Speaks for Islam" by Esposito & Mogahed.
It sounds good, but, thanks to the concept of "dar al harb" where, in Islam, "war is deceit", again, it's hard to tell the peaceful from those who'd be like the 45 British Islamic medical doctors who tried to set off bombs at two Scottish airports. It's NOt the Muslim's fault for not being able to be trusted, it's Quran 3:28 and 16:106's.
Mutainia, the culture is represented in so many ways by our media; many are not accurate. I don't know much but history shows being Muslim is not connected with acts of terror. There may be Muslims who associate themselves with organizations, movements or what we may think of as a political party who may have an initiation; without a true knowledge, I would say like al Qaeda. To commit an act of terror is repulsive as gangs, the KKK or other organized terror groups. Then we have rituals such as being baptized to be a certain religion. I ask that you, others and I require real information that we don't look foolish or support policy that the propaganda machines use us to allow their greed. I take you want what is best for this nation, hating people without knowing the issues sets us up for being taken advantage of to make war or not make peace where it is actually in our best interest. There are people we need to tackle, but it should be with good info and not a reaction.
As to who's keeping America dependent upon Saudi Oil, that would be George Bush and his family,
If the U.S. could explore its own sources. We would not be in this mess now. Congress, environmentist and some states have only increased our dependency on foreign sources by putting areas off limits. We caused this ourselves. And we had better fix it soon.
"If the U.S. could explore its own sources. We would not be in this mess now. "
More "destroy ANWR" garbage. Even if we tapped (and destroyed) ANWR, it would supply less than 6% of the US's oil needs. Which is how many years of population growth?
It's a red herring. Stop trying to find ways to prolong our dependence and start working on ways to break it.
ANWR isn't the only place we can find oil/natural gas. Tell me how one can destroy 19 million acres by only using 2,000? I am willing to bet we are a little smarter then that.
What you don't realize is the time it takes to reduce our crude oil use and move to renewable energy will be no less then 10 years up to 25( and that is my guess) . What do we in the between time? Pay $200 a barrel or more, get sucked into another war in the Middle East, kiss the a*s of Hugo Charez?
There isn't enough renewable energy to replace the cost v. reward to replace coal, yet!
Gas isn't the only thing made from crude oil. But it gets the most air time. Enthyol(sp?) is causing more harm then good. This won't change over night, it will take time. This economy can't continue to pay high oil prices, not for much longer. Then what?
You are right, we do need to break for oil. But we need to do it on our timetable. If we don't explore our own sources it will get worst long before it gets better.
I think the jury is still out on 9-11. Polls have shown that more than 50% of Americans are no longer buying "The Official Story" You know, the one that suggests cavemen from Afganistan did it.
Mutainia: "Raising OPEC prices to bankrupt America is not aggression?"
No it isn't. Everyone has a right to sell whatever he/she has at any price he/she wants to. Others have the right not to buy it. It's not the Saudis' fault that the US has put itself in a position of dependency on their oil.
I see what you mean.
Sorry, double post. The original disappeared for a long time, and then both of them appeared.
Locky:
Since when are you the worlds policemen;....you did nothing when India, Pakistan, South Africa, N Korea or countless others got nukes, but Iran=oil, and USA runs on oil, but so does China and India and those heathens use as much as you do so in goes the US military to save American oil that was misplaced under Arab lands
"USA runs on oil, but so does China and India and those heathens use as much as you do so in goes the US military to save American oil that was misplaced under Arab lands"
..... to sell to china and india at even higher prices, or so goes the plan.
"you did nothing when India, Pakistan, South Africa, N Korea or countless others got nukes"
don't forget israel.
Locky12, Is that you? God damn!! I agree with you on this.
YOu would coward - birds of a feather and all that - cowardly chickenhawks to be exact!
ROFLMAO! All the while the very person who started this entire fiasco apparently lives with relative impunity in the mountains of Waziristan.
If Iran gets nukes they are subject to the same MAD reasoning that all nuclear nations live under. Use 'em and be vanquished. That hasn't and wont change anytime soon. They use rhetoric as a defensive mechanism because they have little else. We do not have the ability to simultaneously occupy Iran and Iraq. Not even close. That hasn't and wont change anytime soon. Bomb them and watch oil hit 200 plus a barrel.
As for Afghanistan we watch the opium flow from that country at record rates because we don't want to disturb their economy(sic). Local warlords have and still control much of that nation. We once covertly supported the very people we are now fighting. Not the first time our interference has come back to bite us on the
-ss.
This entire "appeasement" argument is a canard. Used to distract from what is the very heart of this story. I pity you guys because its all you got and it's pure bullsh-t. There are those that suggest that Bush will be resurrected by history. It appears much more likely that the negative ramifications of his two terms in office will continue to haunt us in the future.
Hard to believe that the Bush family once had such good relations with the Saudi's. The neocon's clear favoritism of Israel has now driven the Saudi's to really put the screws to us. They laugh at GW. They know a fool when they see one. They never laughed at his father.
At the same time we have ensured the continued rise of China. All of this borrowed off-budget money will have its consequences. We have significantly weakened our standing in the world. You will see on the day you remove the blinders...they gotta be getting old.
I fear China. So much.
There's no distraction.
Want cheaper oil? DRILL, DRILL and DRILL some more!
Let's use coal! You'll see the price of a gallon drop to $1.50.
"As for Afghanistan we watch the opium flow from that country at record rates because we don't want to disturb their economy"
yeah, funny that. opium/heroin from afghanistan and cocaine from columbia and we have a finger poking around in both of those two pies
It's called empire. Buy a vowel.
You're still a George Bush parrot?
First he had you yelling "no child left behind"
then it was 'either you're with us or against us"
The he had you yelling "bring it on"
Then he had you shouting "shock and awe"
then of course you proudly were repeating "mission accomplished" daily with the "coalition of the willing"
You really did overuse "cut and run" for almost 3 years,
but the campaign "flip flopper rants were very effective.
Recently your claims that "the SURGE is working" was tedious.
So now it's a constant repetition of "appeasers".
Did you forget where he promised to get BinLaden??
You and yours are nothing but pathetic brain dead parrots.
Shame on all of you for elongated this treachery.
Not everyone is a terrorist, don't mistake compromise with appeasement. On the practical side, common sense tells us the war drains our treasury and make the deficit greater, meaning the dollar is weak. If security is your concern, consider Iran or who ever in the future getting a nuke and then trying to deliver it through our systems. Then think about the effects of a collapsed dollar now. If you can see us winning this war in less than a hundred years, then talk the Islamofascist talk. The Generals on the ground are saying winning the war is not a military issue now. Our Generals and the Brits are also saying this is a diplomatic issue now. Playing tough guy may make you feel special, but needing special ed.
lol...be nice...g
Locky12, the only thing we have to fear is our own government.
I see that you read the recent comment by bush about appeasement, which he used in the wrong way by the way.
He was trying to refer to the appeasement of hitler by chamberlain.
That war was started by the banking interests the same way this one was.
OUr cia has worked both sides of the road in this one supporting iraq at one time then Iran. Don't believe me read it for yourself.
You could also go to the project for a new american century website.
Members include almost all of the Bush cabinet.
They had our whole future planned from '97.
Also talks about needing a "new pearl harbor" to stir us americans into doing something. See we had lost USSR as a reason to keep making weapons so terrorists are the new cold war.
Actually, China and India would still be substantially increasing their purchases of oil and food on the world market so the war is not the only, maybe not even the most important factor in prices, since there are other demand factors.
like - the federal reserve and US monetary policy - printing, borrowing, and overspending - driving down the value of the dollar?
maybe.
Spending is part of fiscal, not monetary policy. The Federal Reserve has no part in it. Very little of the money supply actually exists in the form of printed money in any case.
you're right, spending is fiscal policy. So yes, both fiscal and monetary policy are totally off base and need to be reformed.
By printing, I mean the creation of new money - whether it's done by computer entiries and an artificially low interest rate or by physically printing money (which is rare), doesn't matter. the end result is the same.
This government has been destroying the value of the US dollar for a long, long time.
Too large of an M3 money supply, and too much borrowing/spending can only lead to ruin.
Yeah sure.
and when one oil freighter was grounded the prices increased
20% worldwide in the early 80's (from .78 to nearly $1.00
for several months)..One hurricane sent oil prices up 50% (from $2.20n to $3.50 in 3005, but during election months
(in Oct. 2002, ($1.75 to $1.45) 2004 ($2.00 to $1.65) and 2006 ( $2.65 to $2.00) they can drop 20%?????..You must be an idiot, or a spokesperson for those devils!
Those poor stressed out oil companies.
They are more evil than tobacco executives.
Drop, I would add that the stability of the dollar is a major factor. Would China and India convert their currency to Euro or the Greenback to make the purchase? That is a double whammy.
Look who voted to sink this story.
What a list of war mongers who still don't get it.
So much for supporting American ingenuity or even thinking the horrible thought of mankind becoming more civil.
More of the same?? How original. How pro-death and destruction. How blind.
How pro-pollution. How pro-oil company of them!!
MRcoffeecake, too many people are still living like it's the 50's and believing everything our government and media tell us is true.
They find it hard to believe that our government was taken over a long time ago by special interests. Eisenhower warned us at the end of his term that we should beware undo influence by the special interests and the Military industrial complex.
Unfortunately his warning was at least 50 years too late.
Wilson at the end of his term bemoaned what he had allowed, letting the bankers take ahold of our country through the federal reserve, which is not federal by the way.
Instead of relying on pundits, it is time for americans to start doing their own critical thinking.
I saw a retired CIA operative on late night news... 20 years Middle East assignment. Al-queda for 20 years has been working towards $300 a barrel. A bullet to the head of the American economy.
The oil companies profit is at 7%. Whats your credit card or bank loan interest??